Comments on: Scandal over Mossad use of UK passports curiously fails to materialise with Britons awe struck at Israeli daring http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/ Think Tank Blog: The online repository of articles on anti-Zionism and civilisational decline by analyst Robin Shepherd Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:59:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Gábor Fränkl http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2042 Gábor Fränkl Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:20:37 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2042 James, not at the Guardian and the Independent (perhaps not even elsewhere). They are thoroughly brainwashed. James, not at the Guardian and the Independent (perhaps not even elsewhere). They are thoroughly brainwashed.

]]> By: James http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2039 James Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:37:27 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2039 If pressed to say why, I would speculate that the populace in Britain is smart enough to see the lack of perspective surrounding much media comment on Israel these days, and the sky-high moral standards that are imposed upon it - standards that are generally not imposed upon its neighbours. Perhaps even people are finally viewing the duplicity and double standards surrounding the Islamic world and it's apologists in the British media. If pressed to say why, I would speculate that the populace in Britain is smart enough to see the lack of perspective surrounding much media comment on Israel these days, and the sky-high moral standards that are imposed upon it - standards that are generally not imposed upon its neighbours.

Perhaps even people are finally viewing the duplicity and double standards surrounding the Islamic world and it’s apologists in the British media.

]]> By: Romo http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2032 Romo Sun, 21 Feb 2010 10:44:14 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2032 Gabor Frankl above, you are absolutely right. I very much enjoy reading your pieces that are commendable for their clarity. I agree that Europe, tainted as it is by years of overt anti-Semitism, is now on a downward spiral; morally, financially and spiritually bankrupt. I know that Israel is looking towards the east and can speak from personal experience that these territories are India and China. I note that the Telegraph has a piece today that posits that Israeli customs are secretly photocopying the passports of dual nationality Olim and that Mossad is using these. Their proof? 'Diplomatic sources.' Gabor Frankl above, you are absolutely right. I very much enjoy reading your pieces that are commendable for their clarity. I agree that Europe, tainted as it is by years of overt anti-Semitism, is now on a downward spiral; morally, financially and spiritually bankrupt. I know that Israel is looking towards the east and can speak from personal experience that these territories are India and China.

I note that the Telegraph has a piece today that posits that Israeli customs are secretly photocopying the passports of dual nationality Olim and that Mossad is using these. Their proof? ‘Diplomatic sources.’

]]> By: Joshua http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2026 Joshua Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:13:40 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2026 On the other hand... A comment appearing below an article at The Times: "Bob Bates wrote: It's high time the Israel Experiment was cancelled. February 19, 2010 2:11 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (27)" Can you imagine anyone suggesting this about any other nation on earth? Can you imagine The Times allowing such a comment about any other nation on earth to stand? The hatred really does run very deep. Source: Dubai wants head of Mossad arrested over Hamas assassination http://tinyurl.com/yb2bu3b On the other hand…

A comment appearing below an article at The Times:

“Bob Bates wrote:

It’s high time the Israel Experiment was cancelled.
February 19, 2010 2:11 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk

Recommend? (27)”

Can you imagine anyone suggesting this about any other nation on earth? Can you imagine The Times allowing such a comment about any other nation on earth to stand? The hatred really does run very deep.

Source: Dubai wants head of Mossad arrested over Hamas assassination

http://tinyurl.com/yb2bu3b

]]> By: Lynne T http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2025 Lynne T Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:31:39 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2025 Andy: If they went as far as all that, they might also have to report that Al-Mahboub wasn't just in Dubai for a little holiday. Melanie Phillips' blog says the goal was to arrange for the purchase of long-range missels from Iran capable of striking Tel Aviv. If so, that would certainly explain why the response from the British government was relatively muted and also the cooperation from the PA. Andy:

If they went as far as all that, they might also have to report that Al-Mahboub wasn’t just in Dubai for a little holiday. Melanie Phillips’ blog says the goal was to arrange for the purchase of long-range missels from Iran capable of striking Tel Aviv. If so, that would certainly explain why the response from the British government was relatively muted and also the cooperation from the PA.

]]> By: Andy Gill http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2023 Andy Gill Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:17:43 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2023 One curiously under-reported aspect is the collusion of the Palestinian Authority in the hit. Two Palestinians have been extradited to Dubai from Jordan, and Hamas are claiming the PA was deeply involved. But the British media - who usually swallow every Hamas claim without scrutiny - simply aren't interested. It just doesn't help the narrative of the saint-like Palestinians I suppose. One curiously under-reported aspect is the collusion of the Palestinian Authority in the hit. Two Palestinians have been extradited to Dubai from Jordan, and Hamas are claiming the PA was deeply involved. But the British media - who usually swallow every Hamas claim without scrutiny - simply aren’t interested. It just doesn’t help the narrative of the saint-like Palestinians I suppose.

]]> By: Lynne T http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2012 Lynne T Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:02:49 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2012 Jonathan K: I may have used "guns" but meant any materials used for war rather than civilian/humanitarian purposes. If the fools who gave money to Viva Palestina only knew the truth about what happens to money given to the Palestinians. It either ends up in the pockets of the upper echelons of Fatah or paying for jihad. Very little is used for humanitarian purposes, and when it is, it is used to coerce cooperation. If the Dubai hit was indeed an Israeli intelligence operation, I hope the hit was worth it. Pay-back for al-Mabhoub's culpability for the killing of two Israel soldiers plus serving as Hamas's chief of staff on an armaments buying gig vs diplomatic flack over passports and whatever other payback Hamas might envision. If nothing else, it should put a little more fear into high ranking members of Hamas and would look very good on them. http://www.hudsonny.org/2010/02/fatahgate-fallout-where-are-the-media-editors-are-not-interested-unless-it-has-an-anti-israeli-angle.php Jonathan K:

I may have used “guns” but meant any materials used for war rather than civilian/humanitarian purposes.

If the fools who gave money to Viva Palestina only knew the truth about what happens to money given to the Palestinians. It either ends up in the pockets of the upper echelons of Fatah or paying for jihad. Very little is used for humanitarian purposes, and when it is, it is used to coerce cooperation.

If the Dubai hit was indeed an Israeli intelligence operation, I hope the hit was worth it. Pay-back for al-Mabhoub’s culpability for the killing of two Israel soldiers plus serving as Hamas’s chief of staff on an armaments buying gig vs diplomatic flack over passports and whatever other payback Hamas might envision.

If nothing else, it should put a little more fear into high ranking members of Hamas and would look very good on them.

http://www.hudsonny.org/2010/02/fatahgate-fallout-where-are-the-media-editors-are-not-interested-unless-it-has-an-anti-israeli-angle.php

]]> By: Gábor Fränkl http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2010 Gábor Fränkl Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:06:48 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2010 First of all, I express my congratulations to the blog-owner Mr. Shepherd who have offered his great piece to the Jerusalem Post paper as a comment on the British (mostly media) perspectives of the story. I don't really have much to add to this article regarding Britain, 'cause I'd only repeat myself. This is rather unnecessary I believe. I would however like to make something clear. In the US and elsewhere, heck, even Europe too there are serious, very serious analytical studies all around a dime a dozen which virtually say that Europe have had its "peak" and its collective power is only downhill from now on in the next few decades. This assumption by serious people is so common that it appears there are no substantial opponents of this view. If Brazil, India perhaps South-Africa (or Nigeria?) will have their way the current structure of the UNSC is bound to be reformed beyond recognition sometime down the line. That seems fairly sure the way I see it. Eruope will lose and lose badly. So all I want to say is that Israel - in its own best interest - should start building relations, meaningful relations step by step block by block rather sooner than later. In my view, Europe is a rotten, putrid, morally and hostorically compromised place anyway - the foten heard and called on BS-type rhetoric of high-mindedness, "human rights", "tolerance" conflict-avereness and cetra notwithstanding. Simply put, Israel should turn to Asia more and more and leave Europe. Naturally, slowly and very gradually. Israel is an Asian country, and if you think about it, an Asian NATION in its roots anyway. Relying on a dying, yes, in many respects dying continent does not serve its best interests. Here comes the fact what Swedish FM Karl Bildt said - and, ultimately, had it right. Say whatever you want about him, he was spot-on one thing when he suggested that Israel should not play "divide and rule" (yes, these were his words) wrt Europe (otherwise a fine, very fine British tradition in itself...). Yes, Israel did just that and does that now. And this is what it should and must continue in the future. It has to retain a few allies as it goes along to replace the dying continent one time in the future. But until France, and the UK has seats on the UNSC and Germany is the boss in the EU, it has something to fear of the EU. I'm fairly sure that after half of Israel's export will not go to Europe (i.e.: to be open to blackmail and behind-the-scnes extortion, because LET'S face it: it IS now however some of us liked this were not the case - it is), but Asia, the US, Japan, Brazil, China or Japan, it will be somewhat easier then. Israel should/must retain Germany and, as much as possible, even France and the others. Britain is absolutely irrelevant in my view, but if the Tories will come the reltionship could improve greatly there, too. However we should be under no illusions. Imho The Indians (Hindu, Sikh, Christian people thre), the Chinese will NEVER be "euopeans". These peple, these peples are not contaminatied, consciously or subconsciusly, by 200 years of Jew-hatred. I'm awfully sorry to say, but even the most philosemitic countries in Europe is there is one or two can'n evn match anything of the disease-free collctive minds and souls of the Asians. That's a gigantic opportunity for Israel. Lieberman reportedly travels to Brussels next Monday. I can only imagine what his European "counterparts" will say to him and how they will grill him. To cut it short now: I say it would be logical for Israel to begin to undo ("deconstruct" - literally) the suffocating hug of the European ant-Semites there. First of all, I express my congratulations to the blog-owner Mr. Shepherd who have offered his great piece to the Jerusalem Post paper as a comment on the British (mostly media) perspectives of the story.
I don’t really have much to add to this article regarding Britain, ’cause I’d only repeat myself. This is rather unnecessary I believe.
I would however like to make something clear.
In the US and elsewhere, heck, even Europe too there are serious, very serious analytical studies all around a dime a dozen which virtually say that Europe have had its “peak” and its collective power is only downhill from now on in the next few decades. This assumption by serious people is so common that it appears there are no substantial opponents of this view. If Brazil, India perhaps South-Africa (or Nigeria?) will have their way the current structure of the UNSC is bound to be reformed beyond recognition sometime down the line. That seems fairly sure the way I see it. Eruope will lose and lose badly. So all I want to say is that Israel - in its own best interest - should start building relations, meaningful relations step by step block by block rather sooner than later. In my view, Europe is a rotten, putrid, morally and hostorically compromised place anyway - the foten heard and called on BS-type rhetoric of high-mindedness, “human rights”, “tolerance” conflict-avereness and cetra notwithstanding.
Simply put, Israel should turn to Asia more and more and leave Europe. Naturally, slowly and very gradually. Israel is an Asian country, and if you think about it, an Asian NATION in its roots anyway. Relying on a dying, yes, in many respects dying continent does not serve its best interests. Here comes the fact what Swedish FM Karl Bildt said - and, ultimately, had it right. Say whatever you want about him, he was spot-on one thing when he suggested that Israel should not play “divide and rule” (yes, these were his words) wrt Europe (otherwise a fine, very fine British tradition in itself…). Yes, Israel did just that and does that now. And this is what it should and must continue in the future. It has to retain a few allies as it goes along to replace the dying continent one time in the future. But until France, and the UK has seats on the UNSC and Germany is the boss in the EU, it has something to fear of the EU. I’m fairly sure that after half of Israel’s export will not go to Europe (i.e.: to be open to blackmail and behind-the-scnes extortion, because LET’S face it: it IS now however some of us liked this were not the case - it is), but Asia, the US, Japan, Brazil, China or Japan, it will be somewhat easier then. Israel should/must retain Germany and, as much as possible, even France and the others. Britain is absolutely irrelevant in my view, but if the Tories will come the reltionship could improve greatly there, too. However we should be under no illusions. Imho The Indians (Hindu, Sikh, Christian people thre), the Chinese will NEVER be “euopeans”. These peple, these peples are not contaminatied, consciously or subconsciusly, by 200 years of Jew-hatred. I’m awfully sorry to say, but even the most philosemitic countries in Europe is there is one or two can’n evn match anything of the disease-free collctive minds and souls of the Asians. That’s a gigantic opportunity for Israel. Lieberman reportedly travels to Brussels next Monday. I can only imagine what his European “counterparts” will say to him and how they will grill him.
To cut it short now: I say it would be logical for Israel to begin to undo (”deconstruct” - literally) the suffocating hug of the European ant-Semites there.

]]> By: AKUS http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2008 AKUS Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:06:38 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2008 Lynne T - you have touched on an interesting side-light to the Gaza story - "the millions starving" in Gaza while the big chiefs live it up .... Lynne T - you have touched on an interesting side-light to the Gaza story - “the millions starving” in Gaza while the big chiefs live it up ….

]]> By: Jonathan Karmi http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-brighter-side-of-britain-shows-itself-as-scandal-over-mossad-use-of-uk-passports-curiously-fails-to-materialise/#comment-2007 Jonathan Karmi Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:26:14 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=2163#comment-2007 Good point Lynne T. "The Respect MP George Galloway said assurances from Israel could not be trusted as the "rogue state" had broken its word in the past." Someone was around, but didn't ask and they never will. My understanding is that al-Mabhouh wasn't just buying guns, but was acquiring rockets capable of hitting Tel-Aviv. His killing could in time save dozens of innocent lives. That's the war Israel is fighting. One point overlooked in all the fuss about passports is that in a recent video al-Mabhouh confessed to having murdered the abducted soldiers Sasportas and Sa'adon back in 1989. Was that mentioned on the BBC ? Good point Lynne T.

“The Respect MP George Galloway said assurances from Israel could not be trusted as the “rogue state” had broken its word in the past.”

Someone was around, but didn’t ask and they never will.

My understanding is that al-Mabhouh wasn’t just buying guns, but was acquiring rockets capable of hitting Tel-Aviv. His killing could in time save dozens of innocent lives. That’s the war Israel is fighting.

One point overlooked in all the fuss about passports is that in a recent video al-Mabhouh confessed to having murdered the abducted soldiers Sasportas and Sa’adon back in 1989. Was that mentioned on the BBC ?

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