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	<title>Comments on: Deconstructing Jimmy Carter: Former president visits Israel with the &#8220;Elders&#8221;, and gets a drubbing</title>
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		<title>By: warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carter was the most failed US President since Herbert Hoover!  Carter presided over a dreadful economy, 22% interest rates, gold costing over $1,000 per ounce, American hostages being taken by Iran, making "nice" with American's adversaries, and even more.  He was an incumbent that lost in a landslide.  And unlike all the other ex-Presidents, Careter refuses to give up any 'power.'  His presidency was such a failure, there is no question that he is doing everything he can to increase the stature his "legacy."  Carter is no human rights advocate, as he aggressively lobbied for a sale of F-16 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, who at that time just beheaded a princess.  Carter refused to debate his books "Palestine, Peace not Apartheid," and even set as condition for his talk at Brandeis University, that Alan Dershowitz not be allowed into his lecture.  Bob Shrum quit Carter's campaign shortly after it started.  Carter's Presidency also was the reason behind Republican dominance in US government for the past 28 years!  Carter refused to even debate John Anderson in the primaries.  relatives of mine whio were leftists who were for henry Wallace in the 1948 elections, voted for Reagan while holding their noses.  They did not like Reagan, but feared Carter and they felt Carter was in no uncertain terms, a theological anti-semite.  Carter is anti-American and too bad he was not the one who got a one way ticket to North Korea for the two journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carter was the most failed US President since Herbert Hoover!  Carter presided over a dreadful economy, 22% interest rates, gold costing over $1,000 per ounce, American hostages being taken by Iran, making &#8220;nice&#8221; with American&#8217;s adversaries, and even more.  He was an incumbent that lost in a landslide.  And unlike all the other ex-Presidents, Careter refuses to give up any &#8216;power.&#8217;  His presidency was such a failure, there is no question that he is doing everything he can to increase the stature his &#8220;legacy.&#8221;  Carter is no human rights advocate, as he aggressively lobbied for a sale of F-16 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, who at that time just beheaded a princess.  Carter refused to debate his books &#8220;Palestine, Peace not Apartheid,&#8221; and even set as condition for his talk at Brandeis University, that Alan Dershowitz not be allowed into his lecture.  Bob Shrum quit Carter&#8217;s campaign shortly after it started.  Carter&#8217;s Presidency also was the reason behind Republican dominance in US government for the past 28 years!  Carter refused to even debate John Anderson in the primaries.  relatives of mine whio were leftists who were for henry Wallace in the 1948 elections, voted for Reagan while holding their noses.  They did not like Reagan, but feared Carter and they felt Carter was in no uncertain terms, a theological anti-semite.  Carter is anti-American and too bad he was not the one who got a one way ticket to North Korea for the two journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would any other nation in the world stand silent in the face of guests visiting the country for the sole purpose of trashing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would any other nation in the world stand silent in the face of guests visiting the country for the sole purpose of trashing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for Richard Branson's little experiment in promoting peace. This from an article in today's Haaretz:

Tutu to Haaretz: Arabs paying the price of the Holocaust 

' "The lesson that Israel must learn from the Holocaust is that it can never get security through fences, walls and guns," Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu of South Africa told Haaretz Thursday.

Commenting on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's statement in Germany Thursday that the lesson of the Holocaust is that Israel should always defend itself, Tutu noted that "in South Africa, they tried to get security from the barrel of a gun. They never got it. They got security when the human rights of all were recognized and respected."

The Nobel Prize laureate spoke to Haaretz in Jerusalem as the organization The Elders concluded its tour of Israel and the West Bank. He said the West was consumed with guilt and regret toward Israel because of the Holocaust, "as it should be."
	
"But who pays the penance? The penance is being paid by the Arabs, by the Palestinians. I once met a German ambassador who said Germany is guilty of two wrongs. One was what they did to the Jews. And now the suffering of the Palestinians."

He also slammed Jewish organizations in the United States, saying they intimidate anyone who criticizes the occupation and rush to accuse these critics of anti-Semitism. Tutu recalled how such organizations pressured U.S. universities to cancel his appearances on their campuses.'

Tutu also appears to be supporting the various calls to boycott Israel:

'Tutu also commented on the call by Ben-Gurion University professor Neve Gordon to apply selective sanctions on Israel.

"I always say to people that sanctions were important in the South African case for several reasons. We had a sports boycott, and since we are a sports-mad country, it hit ordinary people. It was one of the most psychologically powerful instruments.

"Secondly, it actually did hit the pocket of the South African government. I mean, when we had the arms embargo and the economic boycott."

He said that when F.W. de Klerk became president he telephoned congratulations. "The very first thing he said to me was 'well now will you call off sanctions?' Although they kept saying, oh well, these things don't affect us at all. That was not true.

"And another important reason was that it gave hope to our people that the world cared. You know. That this was a form of identification." '

http://tinyurl.com/lv7eoa

From an article Tutu wrote for the Guardian in 2002 ("Apartheid in the Holy Land"):

'People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God's world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust.'

And how about this little bit of wisdom from an "Elder":

"But you know as well as I do that, somehow, the Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticise it is to be immediately dubbed anti-semitic, as if the Palestinians were not semitic."

http://tinyurl.com/2bbqaj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for Richard Branson&#8217;s little experiment in promoting peace. This from an article in today&#8217;s Haaretz:</p>
<p>Tutu to Haaretz: Arabs paying the price of the Holocaust </p>
<p>&#8216; &#8220;The lesson that Israel must learn from the Holocaust is that it can never get security through fences, walls and guns,&#8221; Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu of South Africa told Haaretz Thursday.</p>
<p>Commenting on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu&#8217;s statement in Germany Thursday that the lesson of the Holocaust is that Israel should always defend itself, Tutu noted that &#8220;in South Africa, they tried to get security from the barrel of a gun. They never got it. They got security when the human rights of all were recognized and respected.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Nobel Prize laureate spoke to Haaretz in Jerusalem as the organization The Elders concluded its tour of Israel and the West Bank. He said the West was consumed with guilt and regret toward Israel because of the Holocaust, &#8220;as it should be.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But who pays the penance? The penance is being paid by the Arabs, by the Palestinians. I once met a German ambassador who said Germany is guilty of two wrongs. One was what they did to the Jews. And now the suffering of the Palestinians.&#8221;</p>
<p>He also slammed Jewish organizations in the United States, saying they intimidate anyone who criticizes the occupation and rush to accuse these critics of anti-Semitism. Tutu recalled how such organizations pressured U.S. universities to cancel his appearances on their campuses.&#8217;</p>
<p>Tutu also appears to be supporting the various calls to boycott Israel:</p>
<p>&#8216;Tutu also commented on the call by Ben-Gurion University professor Neve Gordon to apply selective sanctions on Israel.</p>
<p>&#8220;I always say to people that sanctions were important in the South African case for several reasons. We had a sports boycott, and since we are a sports-mad country, it hit ordinary people. It was one of the most psychologically powerful instruments.</p>
<p>&#8220;Secondly, it actually did hit the pocket of the South African government. I mean, when we had the arms embargo and the economic boycott.&#8221;</p>
<p>He said that when F.W. de Klerk became president he telephoned congratulations. &#8220;The very first thing he said to me was &#8216;well now will you call off sanctions?&#8217; Although they kept saying, oh well, these things don&#8217;t affect us at all. That was not true.</p>
<p>&#8220;And another important reason was that it gave hope to our people that the world cared. You know. That this was a form of identification.&#8221; &#8216;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/lv7eoa" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/lv7eoa</a></p>
<p>From an article Tutu wrote for the Guardian in 2002 (&#8221;Apartheid in the Holy Land&#8221;):</p>
<p>&#8216;People are scared in this country [the US], to say wrong is wrong because the Jewish lobby is powerful - very powerful. Well, so what? For goodness sake, this is God&#8217;s world! We live in a moral universe. The apartheid government was very powerful, but today it no longer exists. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pinochet, Milosevic, and Idi Amin were all powerful, but in the end they bit the dust.&#8217;</p>
<p>And how about this little bit of wisdom from an &#8220;Elder&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;But you know as well as I do that, somehow, the Israeli government is placed on a pedestal [in the US], and to criticise it is to be immediately dubbed anti-semitic, as if the Palestinians were not semitic.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2bbqaj" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2bbqaj</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Davenport</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Davenport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that quote Joshua.  "We felt very sorry for those 1 million Jewish children who were gassed and stuck in ovens" Branson and Parris say so nobly from on high. "But now actually we don't feel sorry for them being gassed and stuck in ovens.  They really paid the penalty in advance for the sins of their descendants."  And, what's more, Branson and Parris make this incredibly patronising and sickeningly brutal judgement on the basis of sheer ignorance of the historical facts of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that quote Joshua.  &#8220;We felt very sorry for those 1 million Jewish children who were gassed and stuck in ovens&#8221; Branson and Parris say so nobly from on high. &#8220;But now actually we don&#8217;t feel sorry for them being gassed and stuck in ovens.  They really paid the penalty in advance for the sins of their descendants.&#8221;  And, what&#8217;s more, Branson and Parris make this incredibly patronising and sickeningly brutal judgement on the basis of sheer ignorance of the historical facts of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An utterly despicable comment from Richard Branson about this:

"I think it's something similar to what happened after 9/11. You know after 9/11 the world had enormous sympathy for America, and you know that sympathy was somehow lost. And obviously after the Second World War, the world had enormous sympathy for the Jewish people. Over a number of decades, that sympathy has been lost .... You've got a great country, but you've just got to hold the hands of your neighbors, and then you'll get back on top again." 

http://tinyurl.com/ry4yvb

In this, he echoes the words of Matthew Parris who wrote pretty much the same thing in a now notorious piece in the Times in 2006:

"The past 40 years have been a catastrophe, gradual and incremental, for world Jewry. Seldom in history have the name and reputation of a human grouping lost so vast a store of support and sympathy so fast. My opinion - held not passionately but with little personal doubt — is that there is no point in arguing about whether the state of Israel should have been established where and when it was"

http://tinyurl.com/5wtgeg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An utterly despicable comment from Richard Branson about this:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think it&#8217;s something similar to what happened after 9/11. You know after 9/11 the world had enormous sympathy for America, and you know that sympathy was somehow lost. And obviously after the Second World War, the world had enormous sympathy for the Jewish people. Over a number of decades, that sympathy has been lost &#8230;. You&#8217;ve got a great country, but you&#8217;ve just got to hold the hands of your neighbors, and then you&#8217;ll get back on top again.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/ry4yvb" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ry4yvb</a></p>
<p>In this, he echoes the words of Matthew Parris who wrote pretty much the same thing in a now notorious piece in the Times in 2006:</p>
<p>&#8220;The past 40 years have been a catastrophe, gradual and incremental, for world Jewry. Seldom in history have the name and reputation of a human grouping lost so vast a store of support and sympathy so fast. My opinion - held not passionately but with little personal doubt — is that there is no point in arguing about whether the state of Israel should have been established where and when it was&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/5wtgeg" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5wtgeg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mailman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mailman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw Carter and Tutu's names on the list of "elders", I was left wondering exactly what they could achieve if they couldnt look pastt their own personal bias against Israel?

As you already state, this is nothing but a talk fest gone freelance...so the reality is that this group will do a lot of huffing and puffing but wont blow down any new barriers any time soon.

What we need is someone with intestinal fortitude to clearly state what needs to be achieved for peace. Namely the renounciation of Arab agression and a desire to live in peace with Israel.

Once those two things happen, I think people will be surprised at just how quickly peace will descend upon the middle east.

However, as long as any number of Arab regimes require the Jewish boogie man to channel the discontent of their own people away from their own misrule and , peace will remain elusive.

Mailman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw Carter and Tutu&#8217;s names on the list of &#8220;elders&#8221;, I was left wondering exactly what they could achieve if they couldnt look pastt their own personal bias against Israel?</p>
<p>As you already state, this is nothing but a talk fest gone freelance&#8230;so the reality is that this group will do a lot of huffing and puffing but wont blow down any new barriers any time soon.</p>
<p>What we need is someone with intestinal fortitude to clearly state what needs to be achieved for peace. Namely the renounciation of Arab agression and a desire to live in peace with Israel.</p>
<p>Once those two things happen, I think people will be surprised at just how quickly peace will descend upon the middle east.</p>
<p>However, as long as any number of Arab regimes require the Jewish boogie man to channel the discontent of their own people away from their own misrule and , peace will remain elusive.</p>
<p>Mailman</p>
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