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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s not a civilisational sickness? Guardian opens Berlin Wall celebrations with eulogy to communist East Germany</title>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
		<link>http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/its-not-a-civilisational-sickness-guardian-opens-berlin-wall-celebrations-with-eulogy-to-communist-east-germany/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>AKUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon - "Apparently you can’t tell the difference between an editorial (which the paper stands behind) and an online comment piece "

The Guardian publishes articles by request, and pays for them. 

To the extent that we must grudgingly consider it a mainstream paper, it is the only place an article like this could have been printed. It attracts and harbors this sort of author, with articles ranging from the risible to the outright disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon - &#8220;Apparently you can’t tell the difference between an editorial (which the paper stands behind) and an online comment piece &#8221;</p>
<p>The Guardian publishes articles by request, and pays for them. </p>
<p>To the extent that we must grudgingly consider it a mainstream paper, it is the only place an article like this could have been printed. It attracts and harbors this sort of author, with articles ranging from the risible to the outright disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: peterthehungarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterthehungarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon,

If you have a &lt;b&gt;STASI, Securitate, AVH&lt;/b&gt; etc. in your country, everything else is secondary, unimportant and don't need to know.
Not to speak about the sad fact that if the readers of the Guardian ever heard of the Stasi they must have this knowledge from some other source. Or did you read anything negative about these murderous dictatures from Seumas Milne and his folk at the Guardian? Maybe they wrote someting only I missed it unfortunately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon,</p>
<p>If you have a <b>STASI, Securitate, AVH</b> etc. in your country, everything else is secondary, unimportant and don&#8217;t need to know.<br />
Not to speak about the sad fact that if the readers of the Guardian ever heard of the Stasi they must have this knowledge from some other source. Or did you read anything negative about these murderous dictatures from Seumas Milne and his folk at the Guardian? Maybe they wrote someting only I missed it unfortunately?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@peterthehungarian

Are you seriously saying most readers haven't heard the downsides of East Germany? The average reader knows "Stasi" and "Trabant" - and little or nothing else. It's like reducing the US to foreign invasions (Vietnam et al) and the Model T.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@peterthehungarian</p>
<p>Are you seriously saying most readers haven&#8217;t heard the downsides of East Germany? The average reader knows &#8220;Stasi&#8221; and &#8220;Trabant&#8221; - and little or nothing else. It&#8217;s like reducing the US to foreign invasions (Vietnam et al) and the Model T.</p>
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		<title>By: peterthehungarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterthehungarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon
&lt;i&gt;Also, as you might surmise if you bother to think about it, the author lived in East Germany long enough to know all about the well-publicised downsides.&lt;/i&gt; 

Exactly this is the point. She knows enough about it, but most of the readers don't. She is trying to exploit their ignorance and naivete by spreading lies and distortions about the system. Everybody I repeat everybody who lived there together with her knows that comparing the GDR with a Western capitalist country is something like comparing the Garden of Eden where the inmates sometimes can't get their manna in time with hell where sometimes the there is no empty burners due to bad planning.

&lt;i&gt;She’s saying there’s more to it than that, and highlighting things not so well known.&lt;/i&gt;

True, there is more to it than that... The trains left and arrived on time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon<br />
<i>Also, as you might surmise if you bother to think about it, the author lived in East Germany long enough to know all about the well-publicised downsides.</i> </p>
<p>Exactly this is the point. She knows enough about it, but most of the readers don&#8217;t. She is trying to exploit their ignorance and naivete by spreading lies and distortions about the system. Everybody I repeat everybody who lived there together with her knows that comparing the GDR with a Western capitalist country is something like comparing the Garden of Eden where the inmates sometimes can&#8217;t get their manna in time with hell where sometimes the there is no empty burners due to bad planning.</p>
<p><i>She’s saying there’s more to it than that, and highlighting things not so well known.</i></p>
<p>True, there is more to it than that&#8230; The trains left and arrived on time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently you can't tell the difference between an editorial (which the paper stands behind) and an online comment piece which is part of a theme series (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/series/ 1989-year-of-revolutions), which it commissions to attract lots of comments and hence pageviews on its website.

Also, as you might surmise if you bother to think about it, the author lived in East Germany long enough to know all about the well-publicised downsides. She's saying there's more to it than that, and highlighting things not so well known. She has a book (http://www.arterypublications.co.uk/books/ stasi_hell_or_workers_paradise.html) which no doubt explains the complexity a lot better than a short comment piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently you can&#8217;t tell the difference between an editorial (which the paper stands behind) and an online comment piece which is part of a theme series (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/series/ 1989-year-of-revolutions), which it commissions to attract lots of comments and hence pageviews on its website.</p>
<p>Also, as you might surmise if you bother to think about it, the author lived in East Germany long enough to know all about the well-publicised downsides. She&#8217;s saying there&#8217;s more to it than that, and highlighting things not so well known. She has a book (http://www.arterypublications.co.uk/books/ stasi_hell_or_workers_paradise.html) which no doubt explains the complexity a lot better than a short comment piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Rooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the far-left crowd in the media continues to make such outrageous claims, I see little threat. They become their own most hostile critics. It's the more subtle, specious, and manipulative reporting that makes me nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the far-left crowd in the media continues to make such outrageous claims, I see little threat. They become their own most hostile critics. It&#8217;s the more subtle, specious, and manipulative reporting that makes me nervous.</p>
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		<title>By: peterthehungarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>peterthehungarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaMotte's opus is only the last piece of a series of apologies for the ex-communist Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and lastly for the good old GDR. I expect some new articles on CIF about the positive moments of Caucescu's Romania and the sunny side of Brezhnev's Sovietunion upgraded with some Stalin era nostalgy. 

But we can see the logical connection between the different aspects of the Guardian World View in this very popular comment (45 recommendations) on the Hungarian thread:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/06/1989-hungary-disillusionment

&lt;i&gt;Chapaev 
6 Nov 2009, 7:26PM
Hungary was a decent, proud country under the leadership of Janos Kadar from 1956-89 during which there was high economic and social development, good living standards, decent jobs, etc. It has since become a laughable banana republic that takes its marching orders from Washington, Brussels, and &lt;b&gt;Tel-Aviv&lt;/b&gt; such as when it sends its soldiers to participate in the aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan, while its economy and people has suffered tremendously by liberal misrule.&lt;/i&gt;

Did you got the synthetized message?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaMotte&#8217;s opus is only the last piece of a series of apologies for the ex-communist Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary and lastly for the good old GDR. I expect some new articles on CIF about the positive moments of Caucescu&#8217;s Romania and the sunny side of Brezhnev&#8217;s Sovietunion upgraded with some Stalin era nostalgy. </p>
<p>But we can see the logical connection between the different aspects of the Guardian World View in this very popular comment (45 recommendations) on the Hungarian thread:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/06/1989-hungary-disillusionment" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/06/1989-hungary-disillusionment</a></p>
<p><i>Chapaev<br />
6 Nov 2009, 7:26PM<br />
Hungary was a decent, proud country under the leadership of Janos Kadar from 1956-89 during which there was high economic and social development, good living standards, decent jobs, etc. It has since become a laughable banana republic that takes its marching orders from Washington, Brussels, and <b>Tel-Aviv</b> such as when it sends its soldiers to participate in the aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan, while its economy and people has suffered tremendously by liberal misrule.</i></p>
<p>Did you got the synthetized message?</p>
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