Comments on: Leaks on mass civilian casualties in Afghanistan could form basis for Goldstone style prosecutions against US, Britain and other coalition countries http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/ Think Tank Blog: The online repository of articles on anti-Zionism and civilisational decline by analyst Robin Shepherd Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:08:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Raymond in DC http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4818 Raymond in DC Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:28:15 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4818 "One rule for thee, another for me." Or rather "we", the world outside Israel. Of course, the fact that the UK and US have veto authority in the UNSC offers some protection. And no one would dare go against Russia, China or the countries of the OIC. Israel is pretty much alone. The rank hypocrisy is hardly limited to the countries of the West. Just consider the Lebanese Army's operation against Fatah al'Islam in the Nahr al Barad Palestinian camp about two years ago that resulted in widespread destruction and loss of civilian life. Did anyone hear even a murmur from the world community about it? “One rule for thee, another for me.” Or rather “we”, the world outside Israel. Of course, the fact that the UK and US have veto authority in the UNSC offers some protection. And no one would dare go against Russia, China or the countries of the OIC. Israel is pretty much alone.

The rank hypocrisy is hardly limited to the countries of the West. Just consider the Lebanese Army’s operation against Fatah al’Islam in the Nahr al Barad Palestinian camp about two years ago that resulted in widespread destruction and loss of civilian life. Did anyone hear even a murmur from the world community about it?

]]> By: Jonathan Karmi http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4785 Jonathan Karmi Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:20:49 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4785 Therzal, I've no idea what you're on about, but you make your point with commendable vigour. If it helps clarify things, this article was in the Guardian, so it must be true ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/17/taliban-human-shields Therzal, I’ve no idea what you’re on about, but you make your point with commendable vigour.

If it helps clarify things, this article was in the Guardian, so it must be true …

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/17/taliban-human-shields

]]> By: therzal http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4762 therzal Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:03:52 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4762 "Given that the Taliban systematically hides behind the civilian population.." So assuming (this is just your word we have to accept) that the Taliban (people) mingle with people on a daily basis, it's OK to target them (the people) from thousands of kms away and then blame the Taliban? By that logic, it is perfectly OK to target the civilian populations of any country that may contain mingled members (past, present, and future) of the military of that country .. Is that really what you are justifying? I don't really believe that active Taliban were 'hiding behind' a wedding party... do you? “Given that the Taliban systematically hides behind the civilian population..”
So assuming (this is just your word we have to accept) that the Taliban (people) mingle with people on a daily basis, it’s OK to target them (the people) from thousands of kms away and then blame the Taliban?

By that logic, it is perfectly OK to target the civilian populations of any country that may contain mingled members (past, present, and future) of the military of that country .. Is that really what you are justifying?

I don’t really believe that active Taliban were ‘hiding behind’ a wedding party… do you?

]]> By: Another Joshua http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4740 Another Joshua Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:39:55 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4740 I'm so angry I'm going to smash up a few shops and property to prevent a few war crimes since I can now rely on Judge George Bathurst -Norman to get me off! I’m so angry I’m going to smash up a few shops and property to prevent a few war crimes since I can now rely on Judge George Bathurst -Norman to get me off!

]]> By: AKUS http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4724 AKUS Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:31:11 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4724 "Now that it has been revealed — via official documents — that British soldiers, for example, have been involved in exactly the same kind of operations against exactly the same kind of terror groups using exactly the same tactics and resulting in exactly the same kind of outcomes in terms of the loss of civilian lives, British soldiers and ministers could face exactly the same kind of censure and penalties as Israel." It will never happen, amusing as the thought is. However, the West will have to get used to more of the same as groups like Hamas, Hizbollah, and the Taliban proliferate and use the populations among whom they hide as human shields. “Now that it has been revealed — via official documents — that British soldiers, for example, have been involved in exactly the same kind of operations against exactly the same kind of terror groups using exactly the same tactics and resulting in exactly the same kind of outcomes in terms of the loss of civilian lives, British soldiers and ministers could face exactly the same kind of censure and penalties as Israel.”

It will never happen, amusing as the thought is.

However, the West will have to get used to more of the same as groups like Hamas, Hizbollah, and the Taliban proliferate and use the populations among whom they hide as human shields.

]]> By: wendy http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4722 wendy Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:04:32 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4722 7. I’ve always thought that those indulging in anti-Israel hypocrisy like the UK government will one day come to regret it. That may be sooner rather than later. I do hope that Adam is correct : David Cameron has just announced his fervent support for Turkey's EU application -why? What a balancing act : bogged down in Afghanistan ;cosying up to Turkey's avowedly Islamist government and ignoring the plight of the victims of mass murder in Sudan; Zimbabwe; Turkish Kurdistan. Perfidious Albion indeed. Hypocrisy rules OK. 7.

I’ve always thought that those indulging in anti-Israel hypocrisy like the UK government will one day come to regret it. That may be sooner rather than later.

I do hope that Adam is correct : David Cameron has just announced his fervent support for Turkey’s EU application -why?

What a balancing act : bogged down in Afghanistan ;cosying up to Turkey’s avowedly Islamist government and ignoring the plight of the victims of mass murder in Sudan; Zimbabwe; Turkish Kurdistan.

Perfidious Albion indeed. Hypocrisy rules OK.

]]> By: Clap Hammer http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4721 Clap Hammer Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:59:12 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4721 Great post in the Jerusalem Post. Thank you for writing this Robin. **Adam - That may be sooner rather than later.** Indeed I also think that Wikileaks has made a bad tactical mistake. Data security will be tightened and his anti war agenda will be 'kicked about' ad finitum Great post in the Jerusalem Post.

Thank you for writing this Robin.

**Adam - That may be sooner rather than later.**

Indeed

I also think that Wikileaks has made a bad tactical mistake. Data security will be tightened and his anti war agenda will be ‘kicked about’ ad finitum

]]> By: Jasmine Murphy http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4720 Jasmine Murphy Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:44:44 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4720 Fair play is bonnie play is a slogan I was brought up with. Those who were deliberately unfair to Israel for their own reasons will face the fact that they themselves are human and vulnerable in the same way. The fact still remains that Israel is protecting its own citizens and the Brits are fighting people thousands of miles away, with a great deal less justification and possibly many more injured innocents. Fair play is bonnie play is a slogan I was brought up with. Those who were deliberately unfair to Israel for their own reasons will face the fact that they themselves are human and vulnerable in the same way.

The fact still remains that Israel is protecting its own citizens and the Brits are fighting people thousands of miles away, with a great deal less justification and possibly many more injured innocents.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4719 Andrew Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:04:45 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4719 Did anyone notice the BBC World report on the coalition attack on an Afghan village over the weekend? Interesting in that the reporter stressed that there was no way of independently verifying that the attack was made by coalition forces. And then later in the same report when showing men and children in hospital the reporter again stressed that there was no way of independently verifying that these people had been injured in the reported attack. A very different reporting style to that used in Israel. Did anyone notice the BBC World report on the coalition attack on an Afghan village over the weekend?

Interesting in that the reporter stressed that there was no way of independently verifying that the attack was made by coalition forces. And then later in the same report when showing men and children in hospital the reporter again stressed that there was no way of independently verifying that these people had been injured in the reported attack.

A very different reporting style to that used in Israel.

]]> By: Jon http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-afghanistan-could-form-basis-for-goldstone-style-prosecutions-against-us-britain-and-other-coalition-countries/#comment-4718 Jon Tue, 27 Jul 2010 07:46:27 +0000 http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/?p=3030#comment-4718 Excellent piece Robin, but who cares? Any clamour at the UN for an emergency session? -No - no Jews involved. Any clamour at the Security Council for an emergency session?- No - no Jews involved. Jews are not involved - so no-one cares, all the UK news coverage has been downbeat and matter of fact, almost well what do you expect in a war?. The double-standards and the hypocrisy of the west can be summed up :- "anti-semitism" It is nothing less, nothing more, any-one that argues otherwise is simply naive. Excellent piece Robin, but who cares?
Any clamour at the UN for an emergency session? -No - no Jews involved.
Any clamour at the Security Council for an emergency session?- No - no Jews involved.
Jews are not involved - so no-one cares, all the UK news coverage has been downbeat and matter of fact, almost well what do you expect in a war?.
The double-standards and the hypocrisy of the west can be summed up :- “anti-semitism”
It is nothing less, nothing more, any-one that argues otherwise is simply naive.

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