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		<title>By: Gábor Fränkl</title>
		<link>http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/new-uk-premier-david-cameron-employs-extreme-rhetoric-against-israel/#comment-4961</link>
		<dc:creator>Gábor Fränkl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don&#039;t think at all. For at least two reasons.
Reason #1: Current french President Sarkozy could esily have given a motivation for attacking France for perceived &quot;grievences&quot; since June 2007. They didn&#039;t becuase they couldn&#039;t. In England (and Scoltand)they tried and ONLY, I emphasize to you so as you understand finally - but I&#039;m beginning to feel that it&#039;s useless..., only sheer luck prevented the tragedy. That is one. Reason #2 What you cite here are mostly attempts in France. I didn&#039;t bring up attempts at all. Surely there&#039;s some trouble with you understanding the meaning of basic English vocabulary I&#039;m afraid. What part of *attempts* and accomplished deeds prevented by luck you are unable to comprehend pray tell?! As for the Algerian guy in Vienne (Rhone-Alpes region), the case is murky. Murky, because he was also working at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland as far as I know so this makes the case not solely a French interest. But even thoguh, France has more than twice bigger an Islamic comm., and still the basic fact I tried to convey stands. On my part I close this useless debate with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don&#8217;t think at all. For at least two reasons.<br />
Reason #1: Current french President Sarkozy could esily have given a motivation for attacking France for perceived &#8220;grievences&#8221; since June 2007. They didn&#8217;t becuase they couldn&#8217;t. In England (and Scoltand)they tried and ONLY, I emphasize to you so as you understand finally &#8211; but I&#8217;m beginning to feel that it&#8217;s useless&#8230;, only sheer luck prevented the tragedy. That is one. Reason #2 What you cite here are mostly attempts in France. I didn&#8217;t bring up attempts at all. Surely there&#8217;s some trouble with you understanding the meaning of basic English vocabulary I&#8217;m afraid. What part of *attempts* and accomplished deeds prevented by luck you are unable to comprehend pray tell?! As for the Algerian guy in Vienne (Rhone-Alpes region), the case is murky. Murky, because he was also working at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland as far as I know so this makes the case not solely a French interest. But even thoguh, France has more than twice bigger an Islamic comm., and still the basic fact I tried to convey stands. On my part I close this useless debate with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gábor Fränkl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gábor Fränkl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reacting on my part to #47: absolutely no doubt, the PM has almost totally discredited himself among seasoned and mature politicians (statesmen, - women). Do you think for a second that Cameron (and by implication, his country - since it&#039;s a democratic state, after all) is not the object of deep ridicule and scorn behind his back at important EU or international fora?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reacting on my part to #47: absolutely no doubt, the PM has almost totally discredited himself among seasoned and mature politicians (statesmen, &#8211; women). Do you think for a second that Cameron (and by implication, his country &#8211; since it&#8217;s a democratic state, after all) is not the object of deep ridicule and scorn behind his back at important EU or international fora?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabor Frankl,

I accept that French counter-terrorism operations, including harsh new laws which many consider an affront to civilzation, have played a part in the absence of islamic terrorism on French but it is not the sole reason and I&#039;m sure that any intelligent asessment would confirm that their absence in the Gulf war etc. also played a part (funny how Spain has had no more attacks since their grovelling withdrawal from the war isn&#039;t it?)

Mysteriously, in your rush to defend your position you fail to mention the 1998 failed attempt to bomb the French world cup, the 2005 conviction of Djamel Beghal for plotting to bomb the US embassy in Paris, the 2009 arrest of a 32 year old Algerian born researcher at the European Centre for Nuclear Research in Vienne, this years foiled plot to fly a helicopter loaded with &#039;lethal chemical gas&#039; into the Eiffel Tower, etc.

It&#039;s probably best to assume that we all have the same problem to deal with and stop with the one-upmanship don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabor Frankl,</p>
<p>I accept that French counter-terrorism operations, including harsh new laws which many consider an affront to civilzation, have played a part in the absence of islamic terrorism on French but it is not the sole reason and I&#8217;m sure that any intelligent asessment would confirm that their absence in the Gulf war etc. also played a part (funny how Spain has had no more attacks since their grovelling withdrawal from the war isn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p>Mysteriously, in your rush to defend your position you fail to mention the 1998 failed attempt to bomb the French world cup, the 2005 conviction of Djamel Beghal for plotting to bomb the US embassy in Paris, the 2009 arrest of a 32 year old Algerian born researcher at the European Centre for Nuclear Research in Vienne, this years foiled plot to fly a helicopter loaded with &#8216;lethal chemical gas&#8217; into the Eiffel Tower, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably best to assume that we all have the same problem to deal with and stop with the one-upmanship don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Karmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Karmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a wonderful article on the Cameron speech by Barry Rubin.  It&#039;s a complete and utter fisking.  Not for the squeamish ...

http://www.gloria-center.org/gloria/2010/07/how-not-to-conduct-diplomacy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a wonderful article on the Cameron speech by Barry Rubin.  It&#8217;s a complete and utter fisking.  Not for the squeamish &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gloria-center.org/gloria/2010/07/how-not-to-conduct-diplomacy" rel="nofollow">http://www.gloria-center.org/gloria/2010/07/how-not-to-conduct-diplomacy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gábor Fränkl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gábor Fränkl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, of course you have no idea. Why would you have &quot;an idea&quot;? It&#039;s clear you didn&#039;t understand a word of my comment. Yes, I ommitted Mitterrand and others before him perhaps, but it&#039;s not relevant at all from my angle. As I said I was talking about a wholly different matter. 

&quot;The fact that the French have experienced less terrorism is almost certainly because of their continued support for Palestinian causes and opposition to the Iraq war and has little to do with internal counter-terrorism measures.&quot;
Pardon me for the expression, but this is rubbish. It actually has a whole lot of to do with internal counter-terrorism measures. If you want to live in self-delusion then that&#039;s your problem. Ever though about how come that France has more than twice in number of an Islamic community and zero terrorism? (The late 2005 car-burning &quot;intifada&quot; and other occasional rioting in the suburbs don&#039;t quality as &quot;terrorism&quot; per se, AND Britain *also* had in in the North in 200-01.)
Tha fact remains that the French are lighyears ahead of the British (and to a lesser extant American) amateurishness and leniency Steve however painful for you to stomach this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, of course you have no idea. Why would you have &#8220;an idea&#8221;? It&#8217;s clear you didn&#8217;t understand a word of my comment. Yes, I ommitted Mitterrand and others before him perhaps, but it&#8217;s not relevant at all from my angle. As I said I was talking about a wholly different matter. </p>
<p>&#8220;The fact that the French have experienced less terrorism is almost certainly because of their continued support for Palestinian causes and opposition to the Iraq war and has little to do with internal counter-terrorism measures.&#8221;<br />
Pardon me for the expression, but this is rubbish. It actually has a whole lot of to do with internal counter-terrorism measures. If you want to live in self-delusion then that&#8217;s your problem. Ever though about how come that France has more than twice in number of an Islamic community and zero terrorism? (The late 2005 car-burning &#8220;intifada&#8221; and other occasional rioting in the suburbs don&#8217;t quality as &#8220;terrorism&#8221; per se, AND Britain *also* had in in the North in 200-01.)<br />
Tha fact remains that the French are lighyears ahead of the British (and to a lesser extant American) amateurishness and leniency Steve however painful for you to stomach this.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabor, I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say.

French support for Arrafat preceded Chirac and was certainly evident under Mitterand. As for Sarkozy, I think he arrived when Arrafat was already dead so we will cannot know what his opinion would have been.

The fact that the French have experienced less terrorism is almost certainly because of their continued support for Palestinian causes and opposition to the Iraq war and has little to do with internal counter-terrorism measures.

Having been pretty smug about their own ability to absorb immigrants into the &#039;American way of life&#039; the USA have now experienced a number of &#039;home grown terrorist incidents&#039; (Forth Worth, Times Square etc.) and I imagine are having to wake up to the threat of domestic Islamo-fascism as our security services have. For their sake I hope they are not as hamstrung as our own people by Shammi Chakrabatti and others of the cultural relativist brigade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabor, I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say.</p>
<p>French support for Arrafat preceded Chirac and was certainly evident under Mitterand. As for Sarkozy, I think he arrived when Arrafat was already dead so we will cannot know what his opinion would have been.</p>
<p>The fact that the French have experienced less terrorism is almost certainly because of their continued support for Palestinian causes and opposition to the Iraq war and has little to do with internal counter-terrorism measures.</p>
<p>Having been pretty smug about their own ability to absorb immigrants into the &#8216;American way of life&#8217; the USA have now experienced a number of &#8216;home grown terrorist incidents&#8217; (Forth Worth, Times Square etc.) and I imagine are having to wake up to the threat of domestic Islamo-fascism as our security services have. For their sake I hope they are not as hamstrung as our own people by Shammi Chakrabatti and others of the cultural relativist brigade</p>
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		<title>By: JG Caesarea</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG Caesarea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaza is a &quot;prison camp&quot;? As if to prove Mr. Cameron&#039;s point, Gazans fired a Grad missile Friday morning into a residential area of the Israeli city of Ashkelon and two mortar shells into the Eshkol Regional Council in Israel&#039;s western Negev. Excuse me, Mr. Cameron, but are you aware of any prisons in the U.K. where the inmates are firing missiles and mortar shells into neighboring cities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaza is a &#8220;prison camp&#8221;? As if to prove Mr. Cameron&#8217;s point, Gazans fired a Grad missile Friday morning into a residential area of the Israeli city of Ashkelon and two mortar shells into the Eshkol Regional Council in Israel&#8217;s western Negev. Excuse me, Mr. Cameron, but are you aware of any prisons in the U.K. where the inmates are firing missiles and mortar shells into neighboring cities?</p>
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		<title>By: Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian readers of this blog may not know the full extent of Turkey&#039;s derelictions as they are rarely discussed in the media.
100 years ago a quarter of the population was Christian but as a result of the Armenian massacre(and much else beside)they number only a few thousand in a population that is 99.7% Muslim.

Since 587 the head of the Orthodox church has been based at what is now Istanbul.But the Turkish authorities do not recognize him and place every obstacle in his way. He is not allowed to own property, church workers are denied visas and etc.

Only Armenians and Orthodox are recognized as communites - other churches face an enormous legal obstacle course.Many churches find it difficult to get permission for repairs- let alone build new churches. Since 2002 over 20 churches have had their recognition as places of worship withdrawn.

There is a constant background of hostility in the media and most worryingly a whole series of violent attacks in recent years, especially targeting priests, pastors and church workers. I find it difficult to undersand how Mr Cameron can continue to gloss over this catalogue of appalling abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian readers of this blog may not know the full extent of Turkey&#8217;s derelictions as they are rarely discussed in the media.<br />
100 years ago a quarter of the population was Christian but as a result of the Armenian massacre(and much else beside)they number only a few thousand in a population that is 99.7% Muslim.</p>
<p>Since 587 the head of the Orthodox church has been based at what is now Istanbul.But the Turkish authorities do not recognize him and place every obstacle in his way. He is not allowed to own property, church workers are denied visas and etc.</p>
<p>Only Armenians and Orthodox are recognized as communites &#8211; other churches face an enormous legal obstacle course.Many churches find it difficult to get permission for repairs- let alone build new churches. Since 2002 over 20 churches have had their recognition as places of worship withdrawn.</p>
<p>There is a constant background of hostility in the media and most worryingly a whole series of violent attacks in recent years, especially targeting priests, pastors and church workers. I find it difficult to undersand how Mr Cameron can continue to gloss over this catalogue of appalling abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Freeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua

I&#039;d rather have one Gabor than a thousand self-haters.  No, make that ten-thousand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather have one Gabor than a thousand self-haters.  No, make that ten-thousand!</p>
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		<title>By: Gábor Fränkl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gábor Fränkl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Steve, London
Steve, let&#039;s disentangle two (three) things.
What you say is true, However! it doesn&#039;t concern my praise of them. Firstly, its Arafat-loving era happened during Chirac, about whom I have an awfully bad opinion. Now it&#039;s Sarkozy, let&#039;s not forget about that. What tomorrow brings is anyone&#039;s guess. But we are talking about two different things. I spoke about the behind-the-scenes work of secret services. In 1995 the Algerian group GIA bombed the Paris metro (8 dead), they are nearing 15 years without any terror offences on its soil. What happened after the 7/7 tragedy in the UK? Well, those who have a good memory remember the attempted atrocity in front of the &quot;Tiger Tiger&quot; nightclub car bombing, Glasgow airport smash burning car - that&#039;s at least two after such a short period (the Crowley mall bombing-attempt, OK that was foiled). All these were done by Muslim phanatics and only luck prevented mass casualities. I base my claim on these facts. And just look at the &quot;Ami&#039;s&quot; - what the CIA seems to be doing is worrying to say the least, Nidal Hassan case, Feisal Shachzad Times Square etc. etc. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Steve, London<br />
Steve, let&#8217;s disentangle two (three) things.<br />
What you say is true, However! it doesn&#8217;t concern my praise of them. Firstly, its Arafat-loving era happened during Chirac, about whom I have an awfully bad opinion. Now it&#8217;s Sarkozy, let&#8217;s not forget about that. What tomorrow brings is anyone&#8217;s guess. But we are talking about two different things. I spoke about the behind-the-scenes work of secret services. In 1995 the Algerian group GIA bombed the Paris metro (8 dead), they are nearing 15 years without any terror offences on its soil. What happened after the 7/7 tragedy in the UK? Well, those who have a good memory remember the attempted atrocity in front of the &#8220;Tiger Tiger&#8221; nightclub car bombing, Glasgow airport smash burning car &#8211; that&#8217;s at least two after such a short period (the Crowley mall bombing-attempt, OK that was foiled). All these were done by Muslim phanatics and only luck prevented mass casualities. I base my claim on these facts. And just look at the &#8220;Ami&#8217;s&#8221; &#8211; what the CIA seems to be doing is worrying to say the least, Nidal Hassan case, Feisal Shachzad Times Square etc. etc. etc.</p>
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