Comments on: Senior UK Liberal-Democrat fired after suggestions Israelis have been harvesting bodily organs in Haiti

By: Gábor Fränkl

Gábor Fränkl — Sat, 20 Feb 2010 12:33:01 +0000

A “consciencous objector” on the letters pages of the Independent. Could it be that the fact this reasonable - and thinking - human being lives in Machester (the 2nd or 3rd most Islamist-terror threatened city in the UK beside London, Birmingham and/or Glasgow) has something to do with it?

“I never thought I would find myself having even a grain of sympathy for Bruce Anderson, whose politics are about as far away from mine as you can get, until I saw the tsunami of self-righteous moral posturing in your letters columns over his article on torture.

Anderson goes over the top, as is his wont. However, the question “What would you do if you could save hundreds of lives by using information obtained under torture?” remains unanswered by your preening correspondents.

Would your correspondents resolve the dilemma of using information obtained under torture by telling themselves that the information must be inaccurate because it was so obtained, or let hundreds die and claim that they couldn’t have used the information because it violated their personal moral code.

Ethical dilemmas of this sort are difficult. They won’t be resolved by knee-jerk reactions from liberals who want to feel good about themselves.

Jim Cordell
Manchester”

By: Gábor Fränkl

Gábor Fränkl — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:56:52 +0000

Oh, I missed the most important detail of ALL: the boy was found DEAD.

By: Gábor Fränkl

Gábor Fränkl — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:53:13 +0000

An additional argument
(Sorry for any inconvenienece caused by my horrible computer, it leaves out letters all the time.)

A few years ago a very wealthy businessman’s 16 year old son was kidnapped in Frankfurt, Germany. One member of the gang was successfully arrested (though I don’t remmber all the setails, just the validity - of this horrible case), while the others were not found yet. The gangsters set a deadline until the famiy had to pay the ransom. In the meantime the arreed person wouldn’t tell a single word. In Germany not olny torture, but even the threat of torture is illegal. Well after the “deadline” the Police found the boy in the forests around Frankfurt. There was a nationwide debate of course, but then everything got back into groove after a while. The public was however shocked by this case. You decide, “aesthetics” as Bruce Anderson referred to, or the lives of your, let’s be quite precise here friends, MOTHER, FATHER, SISTER(S), BROTHER(S) OR PERHAPS YUR VERY BEST FRIENDS OR “JUST” A KIND COLLEAGUE OF YOURS. YOU decide: the Bullshit (Sorry) or these people I just mentioned. I know what and who I’d choose.

By: Joel G.

Joel G. — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:07:50 +0000

Sadly, Jenny Tonge is just a symptom of the horrible disease that is infecting most of Britain.

By: Gábor Fränkl

Gábor Fränkl — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:33:54 +0000

Empress Trudy - Yes, I believe you are, by and large, right. There are traitors in every country (in my country, the traitors are the Neo-Nazi far-right currently on the ascendence). Tongue took part in a pro-Palestinian event in London together with a Muslim Council of Britain jihadist supremo AND a Hungarian racist neo-Nazi party chief (a woman). I thnk there are times (a lot more han one would otherwise think) when guilt by association stands on its own two feet. Lt’s not forget in the meantme - as I long suspect - that the Independent daily paper is the mouthpiece of the LibDems and their ideological base. I also think that the newspaper - together with the Guardian - is the anti-Semitic face (and primary force in the writte press) of the United Kingdom.
But just to show you what kind of peope ar the base for the Indepedent I’d link the Letter pages of today I have just had a glane at. The coservative-leaning Bruce Anderson wrote a reasonble pice on the torture issue. You wouldn’t want to believe what he got for this. I say again, if you couldn’t see with our own eyes you wouln’t believe it. The most fascinatig factor in all of this that readers often from God-forsaken rural regions stomp their tiny feet in abusing Anderson and in some cases, demand hat his article should r have been published. I am convinced that these people are not just insane but extremely hypocritical too. While of course here are re than afair share of lunatics in the big cities who agree and support their positions from a far-left ideological angle,you can’t escape the profound iony where they live. Let’s see: Ely (Cambridgeshire - btw, I was there 13 years ago, it has a great Cathedral); Oxford; Edinburgh; Bridgewater (Somerset); Wantage (Oxfordshire); Slapton (Devon); Bologna (Italy)(sic!); York; Frampton Cotterell (South Gloucestershire). Do you wannbet what chance these locations will be suicide(or otherwise)-bombed in any case? I think these people could not care AT ALL, a bit, if, say, 70, 700 or, asily, 7000 of their ellow citizens (incl. the - in other cases - ever hyped women and children) DED the most horrible way imaginable. Once you realize this, digest this as a fact one cn see two thngs. 1. These people are not only insane and totally out of touch with the most elementary (logic of) human self-preservation instincts. They are possibly couldn’t care less if their very own country went under, and Islam’s pagan “Moon God” symbol would replace the crosses on th Union Jack. I believe there’s a very short and direct link that, more often than not, connects their effectively Marxist-Leninist world view and their apparent anti-Semitism (whatever thy lie about it) and Israel-hatred. anyway Ibdependent, thanks for the heads up!

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/letters/letters-the-torture-debate-1901552.html

By: Empress Trudy

Empress Trudy — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:34:40 +0000

I spoke too soon. She already has a gig on PressTV. She was interviewed by Lauren Booth on PressTV. I have to tell you in all honesty, Britain is finished. It’s over. Sometime this year some moron will stand up in Lords and demand the expulsion of all Jews and the response will be ‘let’s have a reasoned debate about that.’

By: Another Joshua

Another Joshua — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:18:29 +0000

Not too long ago I read this piece on Honest Reporting about George Galloway’s associating himself with the same theme. It’s a distortion of a true scandal in which Galloway manages create and leave leave behind a bad odour that serves his own political ends, much like what Tonge is trying to do and of course propogating the lie. Here he accuses Israel of “playing mini-Mengele”. What a lovely chap!

Here it is:
http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Israelis_Playing_Mini-Mengele.asp

By: Adam B.

Adam B. — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:05:16 +0000

Has anyone seen Linda Jack’s disgusting comments, defending Tonge? What is it with the LibDems?

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/28066/jenny-tonge-pressure-zionist-lobby

By: Gábor Fränkl

Gábor Fränkl — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:41:10 +0000

I have always known that the “Liberal DemocRATS” are the prima facie anti-Semitic face/force of Britain, even more so than the hyped BNP.

By: Shlomo USA

Shlomo USA — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:08:30 +0000

I agree with Adam B. It’s time to clean house!