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	<title>Comments on: Swiss vote to ban Muslim minarets in sharpest challenge to Islam in Europe yet</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd allow as many minarets in Switzerland as ther are synagogues, church spires and steeples in Suadi-Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d allow as many minarets in Switzerland as ther are synagogues, church spires and steeples in Suadi-Arabia.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 07:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VERNIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>VERNIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! Good idea, but will this really work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! Good idea, but will this really work?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent Szyster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurent Szyster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ban on muslim minarets is definitively an expression of bigotry.

Unlike the danish cartoons which were an manifestation of the freedom of speech, it will have very different effects.

Muslim bigots around the muslim world won't riot. Adverse bigotry is a much lesser evil in their eyes than freedom of speech. Because swiss bigotry does not threaten their oppressive power in the muslim world.

In the eyes of the majority of Muslims in Europe, political Islam will at last become a threat to be confronted, not a perverse fantasy to indulge or an unpleasant fact to deny.

The ban on minarets in Switzerland may be vile bigotry.

But many goods may come out of that wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ban on muslim minarets is definitively an expression of bigotry.</p>
<p>Unlike the danish cartoons which were an manifestation of the freedom of speech, it will have very different effects.</p>
<p>Muslim bigots around the muslim world won&#8217;t riot. Adverse bigotry is a much lesser evil in their eyes than freedom of speech. Because swiss bigotry does not threaten their oppressive power in the muslim world.</p>
<p>In the eyes of the majority of Muslims in Europe, political Islam will at last become a threat to be confronted, not a perverse fantasy to indulge or an unpleasant fact to deny.</p>
<p>The ban on minarets in Switzerland may be vile bigotry.</p>
<p>But many goods may come out of that wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no country as Islamic as Saudi Arabia.  It is the home of Islam, where Islam came from.  Saudi Arabia still stones people to death, practices gender segregation, which can carry dire punishments just for being in the presence of an unrelated member of the opposite sex.  They don't allow women to drive, or even be outside their homes without the permission of their closest male relative.  They legally pratices slavery until 1962, when it was abolished via pressure from other countries, it is still however going on underground and is still legal in some other muslim countries.  They chop hands off of petty thieves, rendering them disabled for life.  They still have the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, heresy.  They allow no other religion to be practiced in the country, its against the law even to meet in private homes for pray....other then muslim pray that is.

No non-muslims are allowed to enter the city of Mecca or Medina.  No non muslim immigration, only work visas.......which is allowed because without that, no work would get done......they use foreign labor for nearly everything.  They ignore honor killings, they have public executions where the victim is paraded before the crowd before having their heads chopped of to the cheering crowd, or the crowd are invited to join in throwing rocks at the person until they are dead.

I could go on forever.

Muslims have got no right at all calling anybody else intolerant.  Before they do, they had better open their countries up to any and every religion....and let churches be built all over their countries.....and they better get a heap of non muslims involved in making laws......running their country etc. 

After they have done all that......I'm willing to talk to them about intolerance

&lt;strong&gt;Robin Shepherd says&lt;/strong&gt;: Let's be quite clear here in making a distinction between ordinary Muslims living in Europe and Muslim governments in the Middle East and elsewhere. A shopkeeper or a lawyer in Bradford or Geneva is not responsible for the actions of the Saudi government. Where there is an issue is in the statements and attitudes of Muslim community and religious leaders who should be pressuring Muslim governments to treat non-Muslims in their countries with the same degree of respect that Muslims are accorded in Europe. Perhaps the Muslim Council of Britain is involved in a long-running and vocal campaign to free up Saudi Arabia? Oh, that's right, the only country they are bothered about in the Middle East is Israel! What does that tell us about their priorities...... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no country as Islamic as Saudi Arabia.  It is the home of Islam, where Islam came from.  Saudi Arabia still stones people to death, practices gender segregation, which can carry dire punishments just for being in the presence of an unrelated member of the opposite sex.  They don&#8217;t allow women to drive, or even be outside their homes without the permission of their closest male relative.  They legally pratices slavery until 1962, when it was abolished via pressure from other countries, it is still however going on underground and is still legal in some other muslim countries.  They chop hands off of petty thieves, rendering them disabled for life.  They still have the death penalty for apostasy, blasphemy, heresy.  They allow no other religion to be practiced in the country, its against the law even to meet in private homes for pray&#8230;.other then muslim pray that is.</p>
<p>No non-muslims are allowed to enter the city of Mecca or Medina.  No non muslim immigration, only work visas&#8230;&#8230;.which is allowed because without that, no work would get done&#8230;&#8230;they use foreign labor for nearly everything.  They ignore honor killings, they have public executions where the victim is paraded before the crowd before having their heads chopped of to the cheering crowd, or the crowd are invited to join in throwing rocks at the person until they are dead.</p>
<p>I could go on forever.</p>
<p>Muslims have got no right at all calling anybody else intolerant.  Before they do, they had better open their countries up to any and every religion&#8230;.and let churches be built all over their countries&#8230;..and they better get a heap of non muslims involved in making laws&#8230;&#8230;running their country etc. </p>
<p>After they have done all that&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m willing to talk to them about intolerance</p>
<p><strong>Robin Shepherd says</strong>: Let&#8217;s be quite clear here in making a distinction between ordinary Muslims living in Europe and Muslim governments in the Middle East and elsewhere. A shopkeeper or a lawyer in Bradford or Geneva is not responsible for the actions of the Saudi government. Where there is an issue is in the statements and attitudes of Muslim community and religious leaders who should be pressuring Muslim governments to treat non-Muslims in their countries with the same degree of respect that Muslims are accorded in Europe. Perhaps the Muslim Council of Britain is involved in a long-running and vocal campaign to free up Saudi Arabia? Oh, that&#8217;s right, the only country they are bothered about in the Middle East is Israel! What does that tell us about their priorities&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dionysus Hauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dionysus Hauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just one step but there should be follwoing more steps, and all steps should be under this principle: use the Human Rights abuses of islamic countries against themselves:  

- Cancel scholarship student visa program with Saudi Arabia &#38; Egypt &#38; other countries: until they reform their text books, which preach hatred and violence against non-Muslims.

- Restrict religious visas for imams who come from countries that don't allow reciprocal visits by non-Muslim clergy.

- Restrict the spread of Korans for countries that do not tolerate the fread spread of bibles and evangelisation, for example marocco &#38; turkey &#38; pakistan &#38; etc.

- Restrict the building of mosques for people from countries that do not allow or restrict the building of churches for their indigenous christian peoples (Egypt, Turkey, Marocco, etc)
 
Reciprocity is a good principle to fight back because it's rational and honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just one step but there should be follwoing more steps, and all steps should be under this principle: use the Human Rights abuses of islamic countries against themselves:  </p>
<p>- Cancel scholarship student visa program with Saudi Arabia &amp; Egypt &amp; other countries: until they reform their text books, which preach hatred and violence against non-Muslims.</p>
<p>- Restrict religious visas for imams who come from countries that don&#8217;t allow reciprocal visits by non-Muslim clergy.</p>
<p>- Restrict the spread of Korans for countries that do not tolerate the fread spread of bibles and evangelisation, for example marocco &amp; turkey &amp; pakistan &amp; etc.</p>
<p>- Restrict the building of mosques for people from countries that do not allow or restrict the building of churches for their indigenous christian peoples (Egypt, Turkey, Marocco, etc)</p>
<p>Reciprocity is a good principle to fight back because it&#8217;s rational and honest.</p>
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		<title>By: PetraMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetraMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interesting and comprehensive article on this subject from a year ago, covering the debate in Germany, where plans to build some kind of mega mosque in Cologne led to a spirited debate and put the spotlight on a German-Jewish journalist, Ralph Giordano, who broke with pc-dogma to protest against the mosque and make the point that the issues at stake shouldn't be left to right-wing populists:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,565146,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting and comprehensive article on this subject from a year ago, covering the debate in Germany, where plans to build some kind of mega mosque in Cologne led to a spirited debate and put the spotlight on a German-Jewish journalist, Ralph Giordano, who broke with pc-dogma to protest against the mosque and make the point that the issues at stake shouldn&#8217;t be left to right-wing populists:<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,565146,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,565146,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Botteril - don't be so sad - countries in the ME are already condemning "us" for the way "we" treat our (rapidly growing) Moslem minorities. 

The problem with your statement is that they like to dish it out, but don't like to be on the receiving end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Botteril - don&#8217;t be so sad - countries in the ME are already condemning &#8220;us&#8221; for the way &#8220;we&#8221; treat our (rapidly growing) Moslem minorities. </p>
<p>The problem with your statement is that they like to dish it out, but don&#8217;t like to be on the receiving end.</p>
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		<title>By: JewishOdysseus</title>
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		<dc:creator>JewishOdysseus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prediction:  there will NOT be massive protests against this in Switzerland.  Why not?  Because the Islamists have seen beyond a doubt that a huge majority of the Swiss ARE FED UP WITH THEIR CR@P.

The Muslims only riot, uhhhhh, protest in places they are confident will not defend themselves, like Sweden.  Or France when Chirac was in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prediction:  there will NOT be massive protests against this in Switzerland.  Why not?  Because the Islamists have seen beyond a doubt that a huge majority of the Swiss ARE FED UP WITH THEIR CR@P.</p>
<p>The Muslims only riot, uhhhhh, protest in places they are confident will not defend themselves, like Sweden.  Or France when Chirac was in power.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronbo2571</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronbo2571</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Botterill.
As someone who knows members of the Bahai faith I can assure that Muslims enjoy greater freedoms in the UK than ANYWHERE else in the world.
We don't kill muslims here,but Muslims have killed MANY thousands of Bahai in Iran.
Your ignorance is forgiven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Botterill.<br />
As someone who knows members of the Bahai faith I can assure that Muslims enjoy greater freedoms in the UK than ANYWHERE else in the world.<br />
We don&#8217;t kill muslims here,but Muslims have killed MANY thousands of Bahai in Iran.<br />
Your ignorance is forgiven</p>
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